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Volume 4, pages 313, 314:
He
[Baldwin (de Reviers), Earl of Devon (d. 1188)]
m. Denise, da. and h. of Raoul,
last PRINCE DE DÉOLS
(i.e., du Bas Berry), SEIGNEUR DE
CHÂTEAUROUX in Berry ...
His widow, who was aged 3 years in 1176, m., in Aug. 1189 at Salisbury,
in the presence of Richard I and of Queen Alianore, André DE CHAUVIGNY
[d. 1202]
... His widow, who lost the lands in England
which she had in dower from her 1st husband, d. in 1221,
and was bur. in the Church of Déols.
Nicholas Vincent ["William Marshal, King Henry II and the Honour of Chateauroux", Archives: The Journal of the British Record Association, vol. 25, number 102 (2000); online version at the De Re Militari website; discusses Denise's marital career, and says that by 1205 she had remarried to William, Count of Sancerre [citing L. de Grandmaison, ed., Cartulaire de l'archeveche de Tours, vol. 2, pp. 196-198, nos 72, 73 (Memoires de la Societe Archeologique de Touraine, 38, 1894)].
[Douglas Richardson drew my attention to Vincent's paper in December 2002.
Item last updated: 16 March 2003.]
Volume 4, page 317 (chart pedigree):
Renaud, Sgr. of Courtenay: lost his lands in France:
of Sutton, Berks, in 1161.
[married firstly]
..., sister of Guy du Donjon.
[and secondly]
Maud, dame du Sap: d. s.p. 1224
[dau of]
Robert, illeg. s. of Henry I: d. 31 May 1172.
[By his first wife, Renaud had issue]
Elizabeth: 1205
[wife of]
Pierre de France of de Courtenay: dead 1183
[and ancestress of]
The French Courtenays.
[and Elizabeth's brother]
Renaud de Courtenay: d. 27 Sep. 1194.
[ancestor of the Courtenays of Okehampton]
William Addams Reitwiesner, in May 2002, referred to evidence suggesting that Renaud of Sutton, Berkshire in 1161 was a different man from the Seigneur of Courtenay, so that the English and French families were not related as shown above [citing H.F. Seversmith, Colonial Families of Long Island, New York and Connecticut, vol. 5, pp. 2419-2424 (1958)].
[This question was also discussed by Peter Stewart.]